tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.comments2017-07-04T02:43:37.849-07:00Shmooze BloggerMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04563017633313441914noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-23799933411504873142010-09-04T15:36:41.341-07:002010-09-04T15:36:41.341-07:00http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/YeshuapromisedMe...http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/YeshuapromisedMessiah.html<br /><br /><br /><br />This article has been written very interesting way of the Messiah according to the text of the old covenant.man with desirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13881690798999758579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-68634406289626080132010-08-10T19:27:05.963-07:002010-08-10T19:27:05.963-07:00LParr061: Thanks for reading! I am glad it was hel...LParr061: Thanks for reading! I am glad it was helpful and easy to read. Its encouraging to hear. :)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563017633313441914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-90319938913708261102010-08-10T16:00:47.003-07:002010-08-10T16:00:47.003-07:00Thank you so much for doing all that investigating...Thank you so much for doing all that investigating! You summed up exactly what I was looking for.<br />I've been reading some books that refer to Jesus as Yeshu (ironically written by one of those "crafty evangelicals") and some that refer to him as Yeshua (messianic literature), so I've been a bit confused as to which is a more legitimate Hebrew name for Jesus. <br />As with many questions that come up, I took it to google for the sake of convenience and yours was the only search result that actually made an objective argument that was founded on legitimate evidence-not just strong feelings with little support. There was also a lightness in your writing style that kept it simple, to the point, and engaging for me. I'm a very curious gal with a limited attention span...I'm going to go browse more of your blogs. Thanks again-keep writing, I'll keep your blogs in mind if any of my friends are looking for similar information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-67453888066498700832010-07-20T06:01:01.606-07:002010-07-20T06:01:01.606-07:00This post doesn’t distinguish between the historic...This post doesn’t distinguish between the historical first century Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) [Netzarim have convincing reasons he was the Mashiakh ben Yoseiph] from Nazareth (His teachings were pro-Torah and were later redacted by Hellenists; and the redaction is now found in the “gospel of Matthew”, which is anti-Torah) and the antithesis the Jezus of the “gospels”. The name of Ribi Yehoshua was redacted into the antithesis name Jezus by Hellenists. The website www.netzarim.co.il [History Museum (left menu)] proves that the ending of the name Jezus, derives not from a pure transliteration of Yehoshua, but it is synthesized with the name of Z*us.<br /><br />A logical analysis (found in the above Netzarim-website (including the scientific premises the analysis is based on) (it is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) (including the logical implications of the research by Ben-Gurion Univ. Prof. of Linguistics Elisha Qimron of Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT) of all extant source documents of “the gospel of Matthew” (which is a redaction of Netzarim Hebrew Matityahu (which was perfectly in harmony with Torah) and anti-Torah) and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) (ben Yoseiph) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical. <br /><br />The etymological meaning of the name Yehoshua is:<br />Yәho•shu′a; י--ה [is] national-salvation or military-salvation;<br />contracted to the cognomen יְשוּעַ (Yәshu′a), from the unused root<br />verb יַשַׁע (to deliver nationally or militarily, to save nationally<br />or militarily). This term is never used of the Hellenist (idolatrous)<br />concept of "personal salvation" in the Bible or in Judaism. The verb<br />is used in the hiph•il′: הוֹשִׁיעַ(ho•shi′a; he saved nationally or<br />militarily, delivered nationally or militarily or came to the rescue<br />nationally or militarily). The verb is used in the same sense as its<br />English counterpart was used in the old west: "The calvary will save<br />us"—except for Jews ha-Sheim will save us (nationally and militarily<br />from our enemies). There is no support for the idolatrous "personal<br />salvation" doctrine of Christianity. At the personal level there is,<br />instead, ki•pur′—restricted to those who do their utmost to keep<br />Tor•âh′.<br />(quote www.netzarim.co.il)<br /><br /><br />Anders BranderudAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08418091459248577266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-91298583627859347902010-07-04T06:49:16.186-07:002010-07-04T06:49:16.186-07:00As a teacher who desires to be a still greater tea...As a teacher who desires to be a still greater teacher, I'm truly thankful for the insights you bring here. How important it is for us to prepare thoroughly, thoughtfully and with awe, continually looking to share rather than hoard the wisdom God gives us.<br /><br />Thanks so much for your timely message.Daniel Kennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-29005835376827741302010-07-03T15:20:01.303-07:002010-07-03T15:20:01.303-07:00Wonderful and insightful
Thanks for inspiring me ...Wonderful and insightful<br /><br />Thanks for inspiring me (us) again.<br />Paul Cohen<br />Sydney AustraliaPaul Cohenhttp://messianicradio.podbean.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-49475189750920103252010-05-28T07:14:23.078-07:002010-05-28T07:14:23.078-07:00Indeed, thanks for sharing dad!
Yahnatan:
Int...Indeed, thanks for sharing dad! <br /><br />Yahnatan: <br /><br />Interesting thought. I am not a scholar of languages either, though I see that <i>melo</i> (<i>m'lo</i>) can be fullness or multitude and <i>hagoyim</i> is the Nations, or the Gentiles. But its also true that the LXX of Genesis renders melo with a different Greek word to mean multitude (unlike Romans 11). So I did also get feedback from my dad before posting this, also curious what he thought. In Gen. 48, <i>m'lo ha-goyim</i> really connects and is informed by the parallel in 48:16, that "they grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth (<i>rov b'kerev ha'aretz</i>)." Rather than it looking towards the exile, this suggests the opposite, that the <i>m'lo hagoyim</i> is pointing to their future successes in conquering the land (cf. Joshua). Regardless, this meaning - "multitude (of a tribe of Israel in the midst of) the Nations" - seems to contrast sharply and prove impossible to connect with <i>plērōma ethnos</i>, as the context doesn't give us any reason to insert the same parenthetical into it. I think that my dad's reading is on the right track.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563017633313441914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-70107307404611992022010-05-27T14:53:38.770-07:002010-05-27T14:53:38.770-07:00Thanks for sharing this Sam! I look forward to mor...Thanks for sharing this Sam! I look forward to more from you on this blog...mathetes1963https://www.blogger.com/profile/05361536679910123561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-56238295259949655012010-05-27T07:30:32.741-07:002010-05-27T07:30:32.741-07:00I agree with Yahnatan, the "fullness of the g...I agree with Yahnatan, the "fullness of the gentiles" which Jacob prophesied to his grandson Efrayim in the Torah may suggest that Paul also believed dispersed Israel would return to Israel, fulfilling prophecies like Ezekiel 37 during the Messianic reign.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-518847610839388852010-05-26T14:16:53.061-07:002010-05-26T14:16:53.061-07:00Dr. Nadler:
Here's another interpretation; I&...Dr. Nadler:<br /><br />Here's another interpretation; I'm curious what you think of it?<br /><br />When we were in parsha Va'Yechi, I noticed that Jacob employs the phrase <i>m'lo ha-goyim</i> in 48:19 to describe Ephraim. This is typically translated "a multitude of nations," though Darby and Young (perhaps unsurprisingly?) translated it "a fullness of nations."<br /><br />I'm no Hebrew scholar, so I can't really weigh in on the feasibility of the minority translation (though <i>m'lo</i> definitely relates to fullness: "<i>m'lo kol ha'aretz kvodo</i>"). Since this phrase was connected by the patriarch Jacob to Ephraim in the Torah, is it possible that when Paul employs the phrase <i>plērōma ethnos</i>, he's using it as a signifier for the full return of the scattered nation of Israel from the diaspora?<br /><br />A quick check of the Septuagint text would help here, so I did one. The word used in Gen 48:19 definitely looks related to Paul's phrase in Rom 11; but the word endings differ, and at that point I'm beyond the limitations of my knowledge of Greek.<br /><br />(Of course Two Housers would particularly like this interpretation...but I don't think it actually supports their claims. Rather, it would demonstrate that Paul had a strong belief in the regathering of Israel from exile and connected this event to Messiah's ultimate deliverance.)Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-57124499093555775062010-04-12T09:19:09.774-07:002010-04-12T09:19:09.774-07:00Powerful quote...Powerful quote...Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-42721019702587429962010-03-27T04:42:42.403-07:002010-03-27T04:42:42.403-07:00Very good post!Very good post!Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06126989897635452902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-5584235090147904762010-03-26T21:16:13.875-07:002010-03-26T21:16:13.875-07:00"...happiness: not characterized by toxicity,..."...happiness: not characterized by toxicity, but by virtue, not by stupification or insanity, but by focus..."<br /><br />Well spoken.<br /><br />~ Brandon DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-65203977621709042012010-03-23T23:37:27.996-07:002010-03-23T23:37:27.996-07:00I didn't know you read my blog Matt. But that&...I didn't know you read my blog Matt. But that's great. You are officially my fifth reader, not including my mother. Ha. <br /><br />Hope all is well. Hugs.Are You Hung Up?https://www.blogger.com/profile/05240018287886223012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-53584496970777355442010-03-19T12:27:25.930-07:002010-03-19T12:27:25.930-07:00As you point out, Yeshu has no meaning in Hebrew, ...As you point out, Yeshu has no meaning in Hebrew, other than an acronym. Yeshua (Ayin at the end) comes from the Hebrew root "to save". In the Delitzsch and Ginsberg Hebrew New Testaments, and also in the Aramaic Peshitta, it is writen as Yeshua. This form is also attested in the Hebrew Bible. There is no attested form of Yeshu. This may be a pronounced dialect of modern Aramaic, where the final ayin is dropped.Hebrew Scholarhttp://allthingshebrew.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-2591773308175160122010-03-19T07:48:42.436-07:002010-03-19T07:48:42.436-07:00Hahaha! Well, a smoker at 5 years old seems far fe...Hahaha! Well, a smoker at 5 years old seems far fetched.Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-62990071163371029062010-03-18T08:39:00.166-07:002010-03-18T08:39:00.166-07:00BTW, the fact that they're explaining their us...BTW, the fact that they're explaining their use of "Yeshua" as contrasted with "Yeshu" (and not "Jesus") is an encouraging indication (to me) of the type of conversations your community is participating in!Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-82956522148834091242010-03-18T07:14:41.966-07:002010-03-18T07:14:41.966-07:00Yahnatan, thank you. I am very pleased that this w...Yahnatan, thank you. I am very pleased that this will go to your friend. I have been updating and re-writing parts of it, and there are some completely new sections. (In the future I think I will just make a new post with "continued" or something, and self-impose a 24-hour time limit for making major changes to blog posts. :) Interesting you mention chavurah, as the origin for putting this one up (from some stuff I had on my computer already) was questions passed along to me as they were coming up in the chavurah study for the Sisterhood (specifically, the issue of Hebrew speakers having to explain their use of Yeshua and not Yeshu). So I am glad it can be helpful.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563017633313441914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-90358153366126965992010-03-16T07:44:06.289-07:002010-03-16T07:44:06.289-07:00Nice job on this one--this is a very useful post. ...Nice job on this one--this is a very useful post. The question of Yeshua's Hebrew name came up recently in my chavurah, and I wasn't sure where to go for resources on it (David Stern's comments in MJM are helpful but somewhat summarial). I will forward this to my Christian friend who was asking about it.Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-11484724898215705052010-02-23T15:27:58.521-08:002010-02-23T15:27:58.521-08:00And I feel slight sense of shame for having visite...And I feel slight sense of shame for having visited without commenting. I generally don't make comments even when I enjoy the reading, a habit I would be wise to reverse. :-)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563017633313441914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-18023521276343965732010-02-23T15:20:11.567-08:002010-02-23T15:20:11.567-08:00Shalom Judah, thank you for stopping by.
I have...Shalom Judah, thank you for stopping by. <br /><br />I have visited Rosh Pina (as I have your KLT blog as well btw)!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04563017633313441914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-77205317349002151622010-02-23T14:17:09.113-08:002010-02-23T14:17:09.113-08:00Hi Matt,
Just found your blog. I'm a Messiani...Hi Matt,<br /><br />Just found your blog. I'm a Messianic guy myself.<br /><br />I enjoyed this blog post; you're right to highlight some of the deceptive techniques often used.<br /><br />Are you familiar with the Rosh Pina blog? They document this kind of thing: <a href="http://roshpinaproject.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Rosh Pina Project</a>Judah Gabriel Himangohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277699587853707632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-46081150653482449162010-02-03T13:35:33.822-08:002010-02-03T13:35:33.822-08:00Quote: “And all this is definitely is something ot...Quote: “And all this is definitely is something other than Netzarim, the early sect that we know mainly through the polemics of Epiphanius and Jerome.”<br /><br />A logical analysis (found here: www.netzarim.co.il (that is the only legitimate Netzarim)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.<br /><br />To find accurate information about the Netzarim, see the “History Museum”-pages in the above website.Anders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12590420531095058999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-44756707420993872482010-01-31T08:32:00.307-08:002010-01-31T08:32:00.307-08:00One more thought on planning classes: it's imp...One more thought on planning classes: it's important to take into account where the congregation is at. In our congregation we have a beginner's Hebrew class. Other classes in consideration are on the Torah service and on prayer in the Scriptures and in Jewish liturgy. I've also recently realized that a lot of the issues covered by David Stern twenty years ago in <i>Messianic Jewish Manifesto</i> are still relevant/basic to our communities--I would like to see us revisit that text as part of a "basic Messianic Jewish Issues" course.Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11860584.post-90608657220479315742010-01-31T08:27:09.123-08:002010-01-31T08:27:09.123-08:00BTW, I noticed your dad's going to be speaking...BTW, I noticed your dad's going to be speaking at Son of David Congregation in MD in mid-February. Any chance you'll be coming up with him? It'd be great to get together again...Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.com